tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post4951033693496999567..comments2023-10-20T02:58:55.815-07:00Comments on surprise: Shameless PlugJeannetthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05378569765609750176noreply@blogger.comBlogger51125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-41568893409015902112007-08-15T19:24:00.000-07:002007-08-15T19:24:00.000-07:00Bravo Grandma! Bravo!!I also felt he/she was so c...Bravo Grandma! Bravo!!<BR/><BR/>I also felt he/she was so condescending when Andy and Jeannett's names were being used--it made my stomach churn!<BR/><BR/>I think we all want to know who the coward is. . . but he/she is probably in the slime pond "evolving" again ;0Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10839604616499202327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-60134934882106254662007-08-15T18:03:00.000-07:002007-08-15T18:03:00.000-07:00Andy - He just didn't piss your aunt off. I've be...Andy - He just didn't piss your aunt off. I've been fuming too.<BR/><BR/>Truth - I'm Henry's grandmother, hence I'm the monster that brainwashed Andy, according to your fallacial arguments. You are a coward hiding behind anonymity. It is offense to me how you include Andy and Jeannett's names in your posts in such a condescending way, and yet are not brave enough to blog with your own name. <BR/><BR/>Go away.Mary Kayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01960415191447796182noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-700210952688434332007-08-15T09:33:00.000-07:002007-08-15T09:33:00.000-07:00hey truth why dont you tell us who you are since y...hey truth why dont you tell us who you are since you say you've met, you can come on here and speak your mind and offend people, why dont you just let them know who you are or are you afraid of what they may think or say.... dont be a wussDiana Fabriciohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00674549405885088172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-58235095287324517172007-08-15T09:28:00.000-07:002007-08-15T09:28:00.000-07:00Whos Macy?? anyways and we're over... but i will s...Whos Macy?? anyways and we're over... but i will say this truth guy is pretty smart but needs to tell someone who cares and asks for his opinion...Diana Fabriciohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00674549405885088172noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-63729273097704937882007-08-15T06:31:00.000-07:002007-08-15T06:31:00.000-07:00Macy?Regardless, I think you pissed my Aunt off. ...Macy?<BR/><BR/>Regardless, I think you pissed my Aunt off. Ouch.<BR/><BR/>And I deleted the last comment, I was signed on as J. My bad.andy gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17137770860906001693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-16910700698126672512007-08-15T06:30:00.000-07:002007-08-15T06:30:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jeannetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378569765609750176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-38742490253495330072007-08-14T20:41:00.000-07:002007-08-14T20:41:00.000-07:00wow 44 comments, that is hardcore. :) andy and j...wow 44 comments, that is hardcore. :) <BR/><BR/>andy and jeannett, i was reminded of this passage from 1 corinthians--pretty awesome.<BR/><BR/>"But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, so that no one may boast before him."<BR/><BR/>"gospel" means "good news." the poor, oppressed, starving, uneducated, dysfunctional, broken...they thirst for peace only Jesus can bring. isn't it so true that all He desires is for us to come to Him with a childlike faith!Brianna Heldthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08224838737334231065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-67672232055998529272007-08-14T17:43:00.000-07:002007-08-14T17:43:00.000-07:00Excellent final comments Jeannett. Perhaps we can...Excellent final comments Jeannett. Perhaps we can get back to enjoying "Henry's Happenngs" without some very pathetic person spewing force nothing but crap! I truly feel sorry for someone who is so miserable and angry that they must search for ways to distrupt other's lives. What amazes me the most is that he/she does not have the guts to identify themself to you--what a coward! He/she needs to crawl back to the slime pond from which they came from!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10839604616499202327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-49267270787346396642007-08-14T15:52:00.000-07:002007-08-14T15:52:00.000-07:00This is my last post into this conversation:"I onl...This is my last post into this conversation:<BR/><BR/>"I only chimmed in when I noticed posts by Jeannett continually going on about her church and christianity."<BR/><BR/>You don't have to read my blog. It's a free country. I don't read blogs that talk about scuba diving, airplanes or slugs. They don't interest me. So, if you have an issue with what I blog about, you don't have to come to my site. I'm sure there are plenty of Buddhist sites with lots of ways you can find your so called enlightenment. If you search so desparately for enlightenment, why are you reading my "heartless, shameless and all other things horrible" blog? <BR/><BR/>Secondly, while I will not apologize for anything I do blog about, (free country, free speech remember?), I spend a huge majority of my posts boasting about my darling little boy. So, to say I go on and on is a bit of a stretch. In fact, any time there is any "going on and on" is whenever YOU decide to comment. Which by the way, I find cowardly and disrespectful that when I went out of my way to disallow anonymous comments, you went on with a fictitious name to continue to be inflamatory and rude.<BR/><BR/>Lastly, I'm sorry that you disagree so violently with our belief system. However, respect for others should fall somewhere in your radar and for you to turn a blog about an innocent 7 week old boy into a tirade into your obvious hatred for Christianity is completely out of line and inappropriate.<BR/><BR/>You are more than welcome to continue to visit my blog, but if you hate it so much, remove it from your Favorites.Jeannetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378569765609750176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-34366366202693377962007-08-14T15:47:00.000-07:002007-08-14T15:47:00.000-07:00Yes, you've been very judgemental and that makes i...Yes, you've been very judgemental and that makes it personal. On top of it, I don't even know who you are so your intentions are gray. Hence my line in the sand, I don't see justification in the time to write a report with the other things on my plate. So yeah, you win based on time and availability.<BR/><BR/>You use valid argument too loosely and only for yourself. None of my arguments are "valid", but yet all of yours are. I haven't seen scientific, or hard evidence, for some of the things you bring up, so we'd be at a stalemate anyways. You have interpreted them and swallowed them to be fact, I have not.andy gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17137770860906001693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-79110351834889197632007-08-14T15:39:00.000-07:002007-08-14T15:39:00.000-07:00I understand what you're trying to say but, tellin...I understand what you're trying to say but, telling parents they are brainwashing their kid is pretty harsh in my opinion. Maybe if they knew who you were it wouldn't be like someone was hitting them on the back of the head.CandBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13302764021049509346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-80368722993107031112007-08-14T15:25:00.000-07:002007-08-14T15:25:00.000-07:00I hope that none of you feel that I am personally ...I hope that none of you feel that I am personally attacking you. I am not, and that is nor was my intent. It is your beliefs that are under question by myself, not any of your personally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-227008320976515522007-08-14T15:18:00.000-07:002007-08-14T15:18:00.000-07:00Again, there is no "chance" in natural selection o...Again, there is no "chance" in natural selection or the universe. I hope you read that book so you can abandon that myth. <BR/><BR/>And, no, Andy, I am not full of myself. There is no "self." Buddhists don't believe in a self. They even sometimes refer to the concept as "not self," but that's a completely different topic. <BR/><BR/>If you make a valid argument, I'll honestly be more than willing to listen. That is a promise. I'll tell you a little bit about my upbringing, as hopefully that will show you my willingness to listen to strong, scientific, and hard evidence.<BR/><BR/>I think someone asked me about my upbringing. I was brought up in a household with Christian parents. My mother was brought up Catholic and my father was brought up Baptist. My parents sent me to church as a child and told me that Christianity is the correct religion. When I got to high school, I finally realized for myself that I had other options and at least should investigate what I believed without further just blindly having faith in something. So, I decided to do a lot of reading. I researched many religions. I researched Christian origins. Evolution shouldn't even be associated with religion, although it sadly is, so I'll mention here that I researched evolution and evolutionary biology. Remember, I started this journey out as a Christian. The more I studied and learned about the origins of Christianity, the more I simply couldn't believe in it anymore. There are just too many arguments against the existence of a god in general, and specifically, the Christian god (many Christians fail to recognize the difference in those two statements).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-74599155611030778952007-08-14T15:04:00.000-07:002007-08-14T15:04:00.000-07:00So, Andy, are you saying that the Bible is not a t...So, Andy, are you saying that the Bible is not a trusted source and not to be believed? It must not be if I am not supposed to use it as a source of data for arguments against the validity of Christianity.<BR/><BR/>Slopilot, sorry for any "better than you" connotation that you picked up on from my posts. I didn't intend for that, and for that I appologize. I don't claim to be better than you or anyone else in this world. I'm simply trying to throw out some ideas to get you guys to think about. If I did it in a demeaning way, I am truly sorry for that. I honestly did not intended for it to come across that way.<BR/><BR/>I didn't have any intention of disrupting a blog about a new born baby. I occaisionally look at it, and I only chimmed in when I noticed posts by Jeannett continually going on about her church and christianity. I only finally decided to post when it became clear that Andy and Jeannett had every intention of trying to brainwash their child and indoctrine him into Christianity. I don't care what religion you believe in or if you're agnostic or an atheist, you shouldn't try to cloud your child's mind with something as obscure and potentially damaging as religion. Again, Children's Ministry is an oxymoron and is a blatant attempt at brainwashing. That's where I cannot stay silent. Three months ago when I first posted, there were numerous posts about God and Christianity, and again, that's when I decided to post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-12932798303166913562007-08-14T14:53:00.000-07:002007-08-14T14:53:00.000-07:00I REALLY have plenty of answers for your questions...I REALLY have plenty of answers for your questions. I only presented the framework of where I was going to go with my arguments, with the intention to take the time and attempt to write a theology dissertation with them later (I do have a life, a family, and a job), but I couldn't even get there with you because they are supposedly "illogical" before I had presented any of my "facts". You're smoking your own crack and loving it, and it is obvious in your methods of argument that nothing anybody says is going to change your mind. You're too pround of yourself. I've had enough experience in my life with people like you to draw a FATTY line in the sand.<BR/><BR/>I find it hard to fathom that somebody who says they are intelligent, and is obviously incredibly book smart, can put so much faith in natural selection, evolution, and chance (because the basis of the galaxy in evolution is chance...big bang, remember).<BR/><BR/>That is why I feel sad for you.andy gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17137770860906001693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-16868627652198031142007-08-14T14:48:00.000-07:002007-08-14T14:48:00.000-07:00Well it looks like you answered my last question b...Well it looks like you answered my last question before I posted....CandBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13302764021049509346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-15284555867206199242007-08-14T14:46:00.000-07:002007-08-14T14:46:00.000-07:00Bullcrap. I see and have experienced the Light, t...Bullcrap. I see and have experienced the Light, the Truth, and the Way. If anything, you are causing more trouble and hostility by being so darn dense. Every argument you have dismissed as "fallacy", and I have argued twice that your "fact" Bible trivia has no stance, therefore to try something else, but you still use that as your main foundation. So any argument I present, because of you treat your support as "fact", is dismissible. I can't reason with that because you're delusional. <BR/><BR/>I'm sad for you, I really am, it's a sad existence.andy gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17137770860906001693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-23784251512662673542007-08-14T14:45:00.000-07:002007-08-14T14:45:00.000-07:00Truth,I enjoy reading the points you bring up as t...Truth,<BR/><BR/>I enjoy reading the points you bring up as they are important questions one must ask themselves before believing. It would be nice, however, if you dropped the holier-than-thou speech, no pun intended. There's no reason to create more fire on a already heated debate.<BR/><BR/>Also, why the anonymity? Everyone who posts here knows each other personally. You come to this board, about Henry at that, and douse it with outlandish comments. Whether they are right or wrong you knew they would stir the pot. So if your intention was to prove that you are smart, then excellent job. Move on. But if your objective is different please specify, because I think it's more than your "Religion spreads a wealth of hate and negativity throughout the entire world."CandBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13302764021049509346noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-78015685699298593792007-08-14T14:42:00.000-07:002007-08-14T14:42:00.000-07:00Hopefully you'll start to think about your beliefs...Hopefully you'll start to think about your beliefs a little bit more now without just continuing to blindly believe. <BR/><BR/>You can call me dense or whatever else you want to call me, but I put forth argument after argument, and you didn't have one logical or scientific response. I think I answered all of your questions, yet you ignored most of mine and answered a few with mythological statements that are not answers.<BR/><BR/>Andy and Jeannett, you should read back through all of this and really take a hard look at your beliefs. Ask yourself again each question I posed. Do you REALLY have a good response for each question? If you don't, you have to ask yourself why you believe in what you do. <BR/><BR/>I actually find it pretty hard to fathom that someone that states he is so intelligent could actually believe in such nonsense that has no basis for belief and worship.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-78278967196532862762007-08-14T14:36:00.000-07:002007-08-14T14:36:00.000-07:00Back to my main point: don't attempt to brainwash...Back to my main point: don't attempt to brainwash your kid.<BR/><BR/>By basically fighting against Christians and others of religion, I am attempting to make a change for the better. If enough people FINALLY "see the light" and realize what nonsense they are beliving in and we eliminate such nonsense, we can eliminate the source of most of the world's violence. Wouldn't that be a better place to live? It most certainly would!<BR/><BR/>That's the goal. You and your counterparts are the roadblock to a greater amount of world happiness and peace.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-23317120676423247792007-08-14T14:24:00.000-07:002007-08-14T14:24:00.000-07:00You're wasting a large portion of your life devoti...You're wasting a large portion of your life devoting yourself to trying debunk somebody elses faith. It is obvious you have spent FAR too much time dedicating yourself to all of the research you can to equip yourself to argue with Christians. Again, what a pathetic existence. You could spend that time doing much better things. I suggest you get a life, and go do something to make the world more beautiful, if that is your passion. As I said, I'm done with you here, because you're denser than a nuclear reactor dome.andy gibsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17137770860906001693noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-30065582000567271442007-08-14T14:09:00.000-07:002007-08-14T14:09:00.000-07:00"Religion itself does not cause wars. It is the pe..."Religion itself does not cause wars. It is the perversion of the religion by man that causes the wars. Cars don't cause death...bad driving does. <BR/><BR/>Your logic is faulty." ~ Jeannett<BR/>---------------------------<BR/>Oh really? Again, do your research. Guess what? The Bible tells you, as a believer, to kill all non-believers (I guess I should be worried for my life!). The book of Deuteronomy tells you to do that! If you are a devout Christian, you should follow the teachings of your bible, right? <BR/><BR/>So, that is just one example of where your religion calls for violence. Your religion IS violent. <BR/><BR/>There are, of course, many places in the Koran that tell followers of Islam to do the exact same thing. Islam is a violent religion.<BR/><BR/>So I guess, to use your logic, "being a person of faith doesn't cause violence and wars, being a devout person of religion that actually believes the words of their holy book does."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-48321314317677729452007-08-14T14:02:00.000-07:002007-08-14T14:02:00.000-07:00Buddhism has many sects, just as does Christianity...Buddhism has many sects, just as does Christianity. Many people do consider it a "religion." You're taking Wikipedia as your "source" for such information? Wikipedia is a horrible source for anything. I can go in and edit a page on Christianity and then cite it. Would you consider that a good source for research? <BR/><BR/>Now, as I was saying, Buddhism has many sects. Some, through time, have strayed from the original teachings of the Buddha and have picked up local customs and beliefs in the countries that it has spread to. There are sects, such as Pure Land Buddhism in Japan that believe in a "pure land" (equivalent to heaven). They believe that you can pray to a guy named Amida Buddha (who is not the original and actual Buddha), and that he can save you and grant you an afterlife in the pure land. This is complete hog wash in my opinion because it was made up along the way and doesn't follow the original Buddha's teachings at all. So, please don't confuse these sorts of Buddhism with the original teachings of the Buddha which are purely philosophical and not religious. There is no mention of a god in the Buddha's teachings. Just like there are random sects of Christianity that you probably think are ridiculous, the same applies to Buddhism. The original line of Buddhism which I do agree with and, I guess you could say "follow" is called Theravada. That is definitely not a religion.<BR/><BR/>Do your research before making such claims.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-69579746579054511592007-08-14T13:55:00.000-07:002007-08-14T13:55:00.000-07:00WOW!!! Fallacy after fallacy. Andy, you should re...WOW!!! Fallacy after fallacy. Andy, you should read that book. Every argument for god that you just wrote in that last post has been debunked in the book "The God Dellusion." You need to read that post because every argument you make is dealt with in that book.<BR/><BR/>Personal answers to prayers? Miracles? God intervening in your life? - These are all psychological delusions. This is dealt with at length in the book. Think about it for a moment. Do you even give any credibility to somoene that believes in some other crazy belief from another religion? There are southern pacific islanders that belive in "cargo religions." White men show up in boats with miraculous equipment. When something breaks, the islanders see the white people ship it away, and poof, another boat comes to the island several months down the road with more miraculous items that are so complex the islanders can't comprehend that humans made them. To them, it must be god that made them. So what do the islanders start doing? They start to immitate the white people and their customs. They believe if they do what the white people do, they'll be in good standing with the god as well and get more gifts. Really think about that Andy. How is that religion, which we know to be false, any different than yours? Wouldn't you call these people's beliefs crazy? Why? How are they any different than yours? Do you realize that people today still pray to thousands of different gods around the world? How are you sure your god is right just because you prayed to him and something beneficial happened down the road? A Hindu can do the same thing in India: he can pray to Shiva and if something good happens down the road, then he probably attributes the good luck to god. Do you believe his god to be false? If so, why? How is his any different than yours?<BR/><BR/>Andy, I don't think you understand natural selection at ALL. No, I NEVER said that anything occurs by CHANCE. Natural selection is NOT about chance. You don't understand the theory by stating such. This is another common argument used by Christians: this world is too 1) complex to come about by 2) chance. See the book. Natural selection is about making very miniscual changes from one generation to the next, and the changes are NOT based on chance. Any variation that has a natural advantage in nature is more likely to survive than a mutation that does not have an advantage. This is basically saying at each minisual step in time, the best option moves forward. There is no random chance involved. The book deals with this in terms of probability, and you'll easily see that the probabilies are quite good. <BR/><BR/>And sorry, just because something is "complex" and hence looks "designed" doesn't mean it was designed. It's actually quite funny that you mentioned a 747. The author of the book, Richard Dawkins, calls this complexity and chance argument "the 747 argument." <BR/><BR/>My arguments are flat out stupid? Really? At least I'm making arguments based on facts. Fact: there are many contradictions in the Bible. What do you believe if it tells you multiple things regarding the same issue? How can you believe anything that it says knowing that it is blatantly wrong in places? Fact: there is historical evidence contradicting some of the stories in the Bible, as I've already stated. Name calling doesn't make Christianity right, Andy.<BR/><BR/>Your argument against evolution is that they've been wrong in a few instances? Again, the article that I cited was a great example. Sorry, the didn't get anything "wrong" as you would like to classify it. There are skeletons and many of them that are at varying degrees of advancement between apes and humans. What this new article stated was that there were two different branches of pre humans living at the same time when before they believe that they lived sequentially. How does that debunk the theory of evolution? Science is OPEN to updating their theories based on NEW evidence, as this article proves. By your logic, you also just proved that Christianity is completely false because I've found not just one but multiple inconsistencies and historical inaccuracies in the Bible. You state that I only need to have one, and I have many. So, by your logic, Christianity is as false and as silly as the Hellenistic gods.<BR/><BR/>Your last argument for god's existence is Pascal's argument. This is also dealt with in the book. The argument goes: God may exist or he may not exist, but it's better to believe in him just in case he does exist. This is dealt with in the book. This argument has many fallacies again. 1) There are many religions in the world, and many of them are monotheistic like yours. What if you bet on the wrong one? What if the Muslims are right? What if the Jews are right? What if the Mormons are right? What if the Hindus are right with their multiple gods? Then you still go to hell. Sorry! 2) Betting on his existence isn't true belief. If you believe in him because you're simply a betting man, then you really don't deeply believe in god like you're supposed to to be able to receive his salvation. A big issue that you haven't dealt with is why your religion is right vs. all the other religions?<BR/><BR/>Your last comment is also very typical of Christians talking to atheists. It's the guilt statement, the typical, "may God have mercy on your soul," or, "I'll be praying for you," etc. Sorry, but that doesn't change reality and is actually really just some sort of bitterness. I'm not trying to say this to be condecending at all, but I do feel sorry for you and the other believers because you waste so much of your time in believing in what amounts to nonsense. <BR/><BR/>You're wasting a large portion of your life devoting yourself to something that is mythical and worthless. You could spend that time doing much better things.<BR/><BR/>And, I'll go ahead and answer another question that you'll probably ask me: why do I care? Well, I care because religion causes animosity between religions, which results in violence, hate, and wars. Religion spreads a wealth of hate and negativity throughout the entire world. That's why I care.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3718497027025949959.post-66870917560297287232007-08-14T13:39:00.000-07:002007-08-14T13:39:00.000-07:00Oh, and..."Indian Buddhism had become virtually ex...Oh, and...<BR/><BR/>"Indian Buddhism had become virtually extinct, but is now again gaining strength. Buddhism continues to attract followers around the world and is considered a major world religion."<BR/><BR/>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BuddhismJeannetthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05378569765609750176noreply@blogger.com